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Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 22	Posted - 2017.01.09 00:33:33 - [1] - Quote I just sat in Perimeter to watch The Horde attack the Perimeter V Fortizar. I was also in M-E008 (think I spelled that right) for the Keepstar attack more than a few weeks ago. Both were pathetically messed up defensively. The Perimeter V Fortizar was pumping out missiles with practically no effect. Why even bother putting missiles on structures? CCP seems obsessed with making it a ship vs ship fight everywhere. In a perfect cluster that would be fine, but not every corp can go toe to toe with others. Some falsely believe their citadel and structure defenses will help keep them safe. No offense, but the damn things should fight better than they do right now. If The Horde continues it's assault on Perimeter V it will be an easy kill for them. It won't even be any fun to watch, it will be a slaughter. Everyone stay home and see the clips on You Tube. it's not worth your time to see it in person. Last week, I watched a guy alone in a Raitaru who with missiles flying couldn't fight off 2 battleships. It was so pathetic to see the impotence of ASML-LD missiles in action. My stomach turned at the sight. How about it CCP? I would love to hear something positive from you on this subject. Side Notes: - I am neutral regarding the Perimeter fight. I am not in any way associated with either side. That being said, it was beautiful to watch The Horde's waves of Hurricane fighters in action while I sat cloaked at 50-150km. Very impressive display of a corp working together. That is one of the remaining few pleasures of EVE because CCP keeps changing most things for the worse (except the Orca, still pissed about The Hulk changes). Don't even get me started on the new crap Skill List. - Also Kudos to CCP's graphics and audio teams for making it an incredible thing to watch and hear on my 55" Ultra 4K monitor and Bose Wave audio. You guys in graphics and audio don't get anywhere near the credit you deserve.
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 01:12:00 - [2] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: Can't imagine what point you think you're making. You basically just described citadel defense working exactly as intended, which is to say that it is a force multiplier, and not a replacement for actually showing up to defend your assets. Let me clarify. I'm not making a point. I am trying to get others to weigh in. Other than the attackers movements just like a flock of birds (nice job ladies and gents), the whole thing was BORING! If that's CCP's objective, Congrats! They made citadel fights BORING! Even the attackers were "Ho Hum" about it during and after the fight. The fight (sorry, there was no real fight, that requires 2 sides).....I mean the attack itself was uninteresting. Something as BIG as a structure or citadel should be able to handle the 1st hundred or so attackers. Defenders in ships should take out the rest. It's sad when NPC mining fleets have better hit points than a citadel!
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 01:25:23 - [3] - Quote When one Raitaru can't take out a battleship with ASML-LD missiles, there is a HUGE problem with the mechanic of structure defenses in general. Just say it like it is, "Save Your ISK and don't buy missile launchers, they won't do anything anyway".
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 01:42:36 - [4] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: Okay let's put this in perspective: Battle Report Now you're bringing defenders into it which defeats the whole point. I would like to see the same Battle Report with only the structure defense kills and no pilots. I should put up a citadel and hire The Horde to kill it. I'll only use citadel defenses to fight back. That way I can show you in print what I mean. Keep it focused. I'm trying to show the issues with the ASML's very limited abilities. That mechanic needs a shot of Viagra.
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 01:51:01 - [5] - Quote Maekchu wrote: In addition, highsec Citadels are already a PITA to take down. Not only do you have to wait for that 30min window to actually apply damage to it, you also need to get through 2 timers between every defence layer, and asset safety makes it a very unattractive grind compared to the time investment needed. So let's not make it even safer than it already is, by additionally requiring a fleet of 100+ to even consider taking down a Citadel. I'm not thrilled with the timers idea period. This game promotes itself on realism. Citadel defenses should be 100 times greater than they are (variable based on structure size). Timers should not exist. Who takes a time out if this was real? If you noticed, I made a hit against structure defense. I'm not just advocating more realistic defense but realistic destruction of structures too. I'm not a head bobbing repeater of CCP documentation. I question everything that takes the game away from realism.
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 01:59:35 - [6] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Lothar Mandrake wrote: Now you're bringing defenders into it which defeats the whole point. no that is the point. these things are conflict drivers first, force multipliers second, but even as force multipliers they will burn if undefended. Horde have 11774 as of writing , damn straight its an easy kill. You're stating the way things are, not the way they should be. I want your perspective on how it should be. Your opinion is much more important to me and everyone else.
Lothar Mandrake Min Wei Corporation 23	Posted - 2017.01.09 02:23:47 - [7] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: You're getting the answers you're asking for from several people so far. Agreed. Good discussion people. Whatever CCP chooses to do is what will happen. My last words..... If something doesn't change to keep new "paying" members none of this will matter anyway. Last May, I brought in 11 "paying" members and 9 are gone due to them saying the "game sucks but the graphics are great", "leans too much toward big corps" and "doesn't give a solo player a chance to survive on their own". New money is the only thing that will keep this game alive. None of this is my opinion, it's new people trying out the game and choosing to purchase Gameplay. I will continue to try to attract new paying players. I believe EVE is worth it. Yes, I could buy Plex with ISK too, I choose to pay real money and will continue paying real money until they kick me out, LOL! CCP can't pay their salaries and bills with ISK so I will support them with all my family's accounts (in-laws included).

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